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jaap_toorenaar
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rugby or football?

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hi,
please two informations on Asterix in Britain (the first being a very stupid one I am afraid...)
1. Are they playing football (no, I don't mean soccer of course, since I'm not THAT stupid!) or rugby?
2. On page 36, panel 4, the french original mentions le tournois des cinq tribus . Is this a hint to a tournament between England, Scotland, Wales, France and Italy? Or something else? The english version leaves it away and writes about a match for the tribal crown.
Thanks in advance,
Jaap

Christine

Re: rugby or football?

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Well, I'm not a specialist on the field, but in front of the TV my knowledge is not so bad...
1. I'm pretty sure it can be only rugby, a popular sport in the British Isles, although it appears a rougher version. Rugby is already rough enough, but... Goscinny lived for some time in the US, but here in France nobody knew really about american football ten years ago. And now, few know the rules.
In Europe existed a much wilder version of rugby, probably the ancestor of such team games. In French, it was called 'la soule'. Rules ? Take a stuffed leather ball (solid enough), two villages (no matter how many in each team; choose the players solid enough too), and the first to bring the ball into the 'goal' is the winner. Field = a large area.
What's forbidden ? You are not supposed make it a war, but the task of the referee is very difficult in that melee. Feel free to set all your disputes with neighbours - provided nobody sees you.
I found on Internet the example of a Bretagne version:
http://pharouest.ac-rennes.fr/e220032R/ ... /soule.htm

2. "Tournoi des Cinq nations" ; each year, France (and its rooster), England (rose), Ireland (shamrock), Scotland (thistle) and Wales (leek) compete. Now, it's "Six Nations", because Italy joined the battle a few years ago.

Sukisuix

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1. They are playing rugby.
2. The American English (which I managed to check before it is sold on ebay) says "there's a match for the crown in the five tribes' tournament" this was written when it was only Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England and France playing in the championship.  The reason why the Original English says 'tribal' is probably because, England at that time was split into tribal communities ruled by kings or queens.

Bernard

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The so-called "Tribal Crown" is probably an allusion/pun to the "Triple Crown". During the Rugby Union Six Nations Tournament (formerly five nations as stated above in Botanix' post) if for example England manage to beat Scotland, Wales and Ireland (3 victories) then in that case England can be said to have won the Triple Crown for that particular tournament. Any one of the British teams or Ireland can win the Triple Crown: France and Italy are not included in this 'tournament within a tournament'.

jaap_toorenaar
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Re: rugby or football?

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your knowledge is really astonishing! Thank you all very much,
Jaap

MantisQueen

Re: rugby or football?

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Rugby is sometimes refered to as football, and football is sometimes refered to as soccer. :o  English is weird.  To avoid confusion... Yes, it is rugby.

invisifan

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MantisQueen hat geschrieben:Rugby is sometimes refered to as football, and football is sometimes refered to as soccer. :o  English is weird.  To avoid confusion... Yes, it is rugby.

In most of the world football==soccer, which makes sense given the way the game is played ...  But in North America Football is a different sport (currently the most popular in the USA) -- bearing a resemblance to Rugby -- which is what the original question related to ... but of course just the setting in Britain means it's Rugby (even without the 5 nation/triple crown references) ...

pigboy

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invisifan hat geschrieben:

In most of the world football==soccer, which makes sense given the way the game is played ......

Actually tghe name soccer comes from the term Asocciation Football. Back in the early days there were two kinds of football/soccer, Association and League. Both with a slightly different set of rules.

SingingGandalf

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It is like the fact that there are two types of Rugby today - union and league.